Vermutlich ist das ein alter Hut und ich habe es aufgrund meiner Cache-Abstinenz einfach nicht mitbekommen, aber ich finde das für mich als zahlenden Kunden echt starken Tobak. Gerade bekam ich eine Pocketquery von Geocaching.com die mit folgendem Absatz begann:

It has been more than 30 days since you last edited this query. To continue receiving this query next week you will need to reselect the days for it to run. This is an automatic housekeeping rule to speed up Pocket Query generation for everyone.

Keine Ahnung seit wann das so ist, ich habe es gerade zum ersten mal gelesen… aber ich finde das eine absolute Frechheit. Nicht das Geocaching.com generell schon mit mieser Performance, schlechtem Interface, häufigen Ausfällen, API-losigkeit und Featurearmut gesegnet wäre, nein, jetzt sperren sie einem im monatlichem Rhytmus auch noch die eh schon begrenzten Pocketquerys damit man den Kunden noch mehr bluten lassen kann.

Vermutlich ist die Anzahl der Pocketquery-User mittlerweile über die Serverkapazitäten gestiegen und anstatt neue Hardware zu kaufen hat man nun überlegt wo man noch dran sparen kann.

Wenn ich also demnächst mal wieder spontan die aktuellste PQ brauche, darf ich ab jetzt immer monatlich erst auf Geocaching.com rumwursteln und dann warten bis diese irgendwann mal im Posteingang aufschlägt, und das nur durch die Profitgier von Groundspeak… aber das kennen wir von dem Verein ja nicht anders.

Wann, wann gibt es endlich eine wirklich gute und offene Alternative… und nein, Opencaching ist es freilich nicht. Es wundert mich wirklich das sich noch kein Programmiererteam zusammen gesetzt hat und was richtig schickes aus dem Boden stampft, immerhin sind doch gefühlte 90% der Cacher in der IT tätig ;)

Ich bin jetzt am überlegen einfach mal aus Gnatz für den nächsten Monat alle 5 meiner täglichen PQs anzuschalten, statt der aktuell nur einen, aber das bringt wohl auch nix. Monopol ist Monopol, und wir, die Cacher, eh zu faul um zu wechseln.

Update

Wie Karsten schreibt scheint dieses Verhalten ein Programmierfehler von Groundspeak gewesen zu sein und wurde Gott sei dank wieder rückgängig gemacht.

Also Entwarnung :)

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202 Kommentare

Gravatar Philip [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 17:19 Uhr

Klar, schließlich sollst Du ja auch die eingeblendete Werbung auf geocaching.com ansehen (müssen)…

Gravatar eilinger [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 17:55 Uhr

Habe es bei mir auch gerade entdeckt (ich lese diese Mails normalerweise auch nicht durch…).
Das ist echt nervig. Auf diese Weise kann man natürlich auch die Performance seiner Server steigern.
Demnächst dürfen wir vermutlich vor jeder PQ ein Captcha lösen.

Gravatar Tomizak [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 18:58 Uhr

Jetzt habe ich es auch gesehen. Muß gerade erst angelaufen sein. Meine PQs von gestern sind noch angehakt, bei den beiden von heute sind die Häkchen entfernt worden. Ist ja echt ne Sauerei. Ich habe mir die doch extra so erstellt, daß ich sie nur selten ändern muß, um GSAK immer auf dem neusten Stand zu halten. Nun muß man die alle 4 Wochen neu anhaken. Dann können die die Funktion zum Dauerabruf ja gleich entfernen…

Gravatar Sushi_bb [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 19:23 Uhr

Ich vermute das zielt auf jene, die nach kurzem Einstieg ins Hobby (und dafür sofort erstmal PM wurden) die PQs zwar immernoch regelmäßig laufen lassen, aber eigentlich nur noch als Spam sehen, weil se sich inzwischen anderen Hobbies zugewendet haben. Sehe ich persönlich also nicht so eng.

Gravatar Christian [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 19:28 Uhr

@Sushi_bb Das ist Quatsch, die Leute wissen wie man eine PQ angelegt hat, wissen demnach also auch wie man sie wieder abbestellt, oder sie warten bis ihre Mitgliedschaft ausläuft.

Wer bezahlt, der will auch PQs haben, zumindest 99% der Leute.

Nein, das ist ganz einfach ein Trick um die Generierung der PQs um ein vielfaches zu reduzieren, somit Serverpower zu sparen und die Serverfarm trotz mehr Usern klein zu halten.

So eng wirst du es erst sehen wenn du dringend mal deine PQ brauchst und merkst das du gar keine mehr bekommen hast, dann wieder auf GC gehen darfst, irgendwas an deiner PQ ändern darfst damit du wieder PQs bekommst, aber vielleicht auch erst ne Stunde später.

Gravatar Schrottie [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 20:18 Uhr

Sushi_bb wird da schon recht haben, schließlich ist das die einzige wirklich plausible Erklärung. Manch einer wird irgendwann der PQ überdrüssig sein und da ist es einfacher die bei Eintreffen zu löschen (oder man hatte ein spezielles Postfach und ruft das einfach nicht mehr ab) als sich wieder in die lahme Webseite zu klicken und das einzeln abzubestellen.

Aber insgesamt verstehe ich die Aufregung nicht, Groundspeak macht seit je her was sie wollen und nicht was die zahlende Kundschaft zufriedenstellt. Das ist nichts neues und besser wird es garantiert auch nicht. So ist das eben, wenn man sich an eine Firma aus “übernteich” bindet anstatt freie Alternativen zu nutzen.

Gravatar Sushi_bb [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 21:51 Uhr

@Christian:

Ich hab bisher keinen Grund darin gesehen, mir PQs automatisch zusenden zu lassen. Wenn ich einen PQ brauche, dass fordere ich diesen explizit an. Nutzt mir ehrlich gesagt nichts wenn ich einmal pro Woche meine Homezone aktualisiert bekomme oder so. Seh ich persönlich keinen Sinn drin.

Gravatar ScandinavianMagic [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 22:10 Uhr

Also vor 2 Tagen war der Text noch nicht drin. Bist du dir sicher, dass das jetzt IMMER alle 30 Tage so ist? Ich denke (hoffe) eher, dass es was damit zu tun hat, dass ja zum 10-Jahres-Jubiläum die Anzahl der Caches in den PQ erhöht werden soll und dass man so mal die PQs los werden will, deren Fehlen die User eh nicht merken.

Gravatar Karsten & Co [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 22:33 Uhr

Mir wurden heute auch drei PQs deativiert und ich hab es nur zufällig gemerkt, da ich diese automatisch per GSAK abhole.

Um 90km Umkreis um Berlin in GSAK aktuell zu halten, hab ich 11 PQs über die Woche verteilt. Als noch keine Attribute mitgeliefert wurden, waren es noch mehr da ich diese dann aus dem PQ-Namen generiert hab. Klar ist es irgendwie ‘sinnfrei’ eine eigene große Datenbank zu haben, aber erstens hab ich für bezahlt und zweitens mach ich mir etliche Anmerkungen in der DB und bin auch etwa in diesem Radius unterwegs.
Für 30km um das Zentrum (also alles was man so in etwa mit der S-Bahn erreichen kann) reichen 6 PQs.

Ich hab mich jedenfalls erstmal im blauen Groundspeak Forum über dieses ‘neue Feature’ beschwert und gebeten eine andere Lösung zu finden. Mal sehen, ob irgendein Mod antwortet.

Gravatar Christian [Permalink] am: 17. April 2010
um: 22:42 Uhr

@ScandinavianMagic Ich verstehe es jedenfalls so das das alle 30 Tage der Fall ist, sobald du dir 30 Tage einfach die PQ hast zustellen lassen, ohne was an der Abfrage zu ändern, wird der Versand eingestellt. Da einige das natürlich verpennen werden werden generell viel weniger PQs erstellt und die Serverlast sinkt, womit Groundspeak dann Ressourcen spart, und am Ende vielleicht mehr Caches in eine GPX stecken kann, aber rein rechnerisch alles beim alten bleibt. Ich sehe diese 500 Caches-Beschrenkung eh als hohl an. Ich kann mir 5×500 Caches pro Tag schicken lassen. Warum nicht einfach 2500 Caches pro Tag, in max. 5 PQs? Das würde denke ich 99% der Leute zufrieden stellen und wäre im Prinzip das gleiche.

@Karsten Ja, die herangehensweise ist einfach falsch. Ich und du zahlen für diesen Service, und wenn ihre Ressourcen nicht mehr ausreichen, dann müssen sie mal in den Pott greifen und ein paar Rechenknechte mehr hinstellen.

So wie du hole auch ich meine PQs über GSAK ab, und ich weiß jetzt schon das ich in naher Zukunft auf einmal spontan mein GPS betanken will und dann leer ausgehe weil GC mir mal wieder keine PQs mehr zuschickt.

Es ist ein eindeutiges zeichen das Groundspeak etwas gegen das von dir beschriebene anlegen einer dauerhaften “Zweitdatenbank” hat, du sollst dir deine PQs also nur noch “On-Demand” abholen, und nicht als Flatrate… nur dafür hab ich nun mal bezahlt.

Gravatar Karsten & Co [Permalink] am: 18. April 2010
um: 09:08 Uhr

Der Groundspeak-Programmierer hat geantwortet:

That notice was sent by my mistake and was not an official communication by Groundspeak. I’ve been making changes to the PQ generator this past week and a flag got changed that enabled that old “feature”. I’ve disabled it once again so you shouldn’t see that happen with tonight’s run.

Es war also ein Versehen und soll nicht wieder vorkommen.

Gravatar Christian [Permalink] am: 18. April 2010
um: 17:28 Uhr

Danke Karsten für die Info, ich habe den Artikel mal kurzerhand aktualisiert.

Da bin ich aber mal froh ;)

Gravatar aba [Permalink] am: 3. September 2010
um: 21:53 Uhr

… und was macht die abstinenz? bzw. was sind eigentlich die gruende dafuer?

Gravatar Ingrid [Permalink] am: 20. Mai 2011
um: 14:16 Uhr

Gut dass sich alles gelöst hat. Panik ist ungesund :D

Gravatar Jessie [Permalink] am: 20. Juni 2011
um: 09:35 Uhr

Groundspeak hat meiner Meinung nach sehr okay reagiert, so sollte jede Gesellschaft das machen

Gravatar Clara [Permalink] am: 23. Juni 2011
um: 15:18 Uhr

Es hat mir sehr ut gefallen wie Karsten alles verfasst hat, besonders die Argumente fand ich beeindruckend. Danke!

Gravatar Lena [Permalink] am: 29. Juni 2011
um: 11:31 Uhr

Schrottie, ich bin ganz deiner Meinung. Ich selber hätte es nicht besser sagen können

Gravatar Megan [Permalink] am: 29. Juni 2011
um: 12:44 Uhr

Solche Fehler passieren noch, man muss Verständnis haben ;p

Gravatar Lasse [Permalink] am: 10. Juli 2011
um: 15:25 Uhr

@Clara

Word!

Zum Glück hatte sich das wieder eingerenkt!

Gravatar Kay [Permalink] am: 13. Juli 2011
um: 10:22 Uhr

Ich gehöre allerdings zu denen die Groundspeak nicht als Profis betrachten. Sie könnten sich besser anpassen, ehrlich

Gravatar Julie [Permalink] am: 13. Juli 2011
um: 13:48 Uhr

Ich auch nicht … ich warte immer ab bis das Programm von Freunden und Verwandten ausprobiert ist, es ist sicherer so ;p

Gravatar Gladusa [Permalink] am: 22. Juli 2011
um: 15:24 Uhr

@Julie
Ich stimme zu. Das ist eigentlich das Vernünftigste, das man machen kann.

Gravatar Laura [Permalink] am: 28. Juli 2011
um: 11:00 Uhr

Ich mache das auch so, Mädels :D

Gravatar Anneliese [Permalink] am: 3. August 2011
um: 15:36 Uhr

Julie, ich mache das auch so, da sind wir einig :)

Gravatar Alix [Permalink] am: 10. August 2011
um: 15:59 Uhr

Mann, die Art und Weise, wie die Mädels zustimmen ist fast unglaublich

Gravatar Oliver [Permalink] am: 30. August 2011
um: 14:58 Uhr

Bei mir ging es genau so wie bei eilinger, genau so nervig fand ich es auch ….

Gravatar Doreen [Permalink] am: 13. September 2011
um: 12:12 Uhr

Was ist denn Groundspeak, eine Art Veranstaltung ..?

Gravatar Kai [Permalink] am: 13. September 2011
um: 13:31 Uhr

Alix, kann es sein, dass du ein bisschen neidisch bist?

Gravatar chris [Permalink] am: 20. September 2011
um: 11:47 Uhr

Tja, kann noch vorkommen .. mir ist es auch ein Paar Mal passiert :)

Gravatar Simone [Permalink] am: 12. Dezember 2011
um: 14:37 Uhr

Ich hatte das selbe Problem vor ein Paar Jahren. Danke, Karsten, ich habe endlich verstanden was scheif lief ..

Gravatar Daniela [Permalink] am: 2. April 2012
um: 16:29 Uhr

Ich denke auch dass Groundspeak keine Profis sind. Ich hasse solche Leute…ich habe einmal den ganzen Tag an meinem Swissvioce Avena 748 beim Telefonieren verbracht wegen solcher Leuten.

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